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Laserfiche Forms - Invalid Submissions / Disappearing Forms

asked on February 2, 2023

Hello,

We have over 20 on premise laserfiche instances with laserfiche forms installed. All instances are running laserfiche forms with update 11.2. Licensing is on server licensing via manually cut license files.

We have had multiple complaints of forms dissapearing and clients being absolutely certain they submitted the form and were presented with the 'Thank You for your submission' message. However these instances do not appear in the instance monitoring or SQL database. We have experienced this before and it is often an issue with the forms routing service and once restarted the missing submissions begin their process. Although more often now we are finding the forms are no where to be seen.. until we came accross the InvalidSubmission folder at 'C:\ProgramData\Laserfiche\Forms\InvalidSubmissions' on the reported occasions the forms are located here under the two layers of Hex folders in the form of an XML file. Following previous support querys found on here we learnned that copying the folder structure for the given submission to the RoutingError folder at 'C:\ProgramData\Laserfiche\Forms\RoutingError'. e.g a submission found in folder 4/e in the InvalidSubmissions folder would be placed in the same folder in the RoutingError folder. Once the routing service is restarted again the form begins its process however only on the date/time it was recovered/service restarted. We are going to look into some sort of automated logging of this folder to notify us of any new files that appear and we can action them for the time being until we find a fix.

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this issue and knows of a potential resolution. It seems strange that Forms knows that the form has failed for some reason by the fact that it is saved here however there is no notification or place to view 'invalid submissions' in the front end ADMIN areas as far as i am aware.

Any assitance would be greatly appreciated thank you!

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replied on February 2, 2023

Do you have 20 instances of Laserfiche Forms? If yes, how are they configured? Do they all use the same Forms database? Are they Load Balanced? Were they configured so that only 1 Forms Routing service is running on the Primary Forms server or was the Forms Routing service setup in a cluster?

Also, have you reviewed how Submission Recover works in Laserfiche Forms 11 as compared to earlier versions?

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replied on February 2, 2023

Hi Blake,


Thanks for your reply. All the instances are standalone separate installations of forms/repository with their own isolated network/server for each client working independently from one another. The forms DB/Service/Web are all installed on the same server. 

I have seen the submission recovery description before yes however there is no mention of the InvalidSubmissions folder. It would be interesting to find why the invalid submissions differ from routing errors. Routing error are usually retried and processed automatically when the routing service is restarted, however the 'InvalidSubmissions' require manual action.. It could be that some data in the form is incorrect when submitted.. but seems strange it wouldn't be caught at validation at the time of submission.

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replied on February 2, 2023

Laserfiche talks about the InvalidSubmissions folder in this post that you might want to take a look at.

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replied on February 2, 2023 Show version history

With Forms 11, you no longer need to restart Routing Service to process the files under RoutingError folder as the help page says. 

Normally it should not put the submission files in the InvalidSubmission folder. If it does, then it means there are some problems. If the problem is caused by the content in the submission file, then after put the file back to RoutingError it will be moved back to InvalidSubmission again as it can not be processed. If the submission file is successfully processed and new instance is generated then it means there is bug for Forms similar as this post. So when you find files under InvalidSubmission, you can open support case with the content in InvalidSubmission folder and the Forms database backup for us to investigate the root cause. 

You can refer to https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35327048/email-notification-when-file-added-to-folder to prepare some script to notify you when file is added to InvalidSubmission folder. 

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