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leave in message greyed out from Outlook import - 10.3.1 bug

asked on May 10, 2018 Show version history

Hi There,

One of our customers is attempting to drag and drop emails into the Laserfiche client and before a server upgrade, could tick the "leave in message" box in the attachment tab to prevent attachments saving with the email.

After the upgrade this box is now greyed out and can't be interacted with, any ideas on how to fix? 

I've done a test with my own admin account and not had any luck, so it's not permissions.

Edit. Done more poking around, if you use the Save to laserfiche button in the toolbar you can do this fine. Unfortunately for these customers drag and drop is a must, it simply adds too much time to be doing it the workaround way. 

Edit2: My work laserfiche can do this succesfully, same version of Laserfiche and Outlook, My VM and the customers cannot drag and drop but can tick the box when save to laserfiche is used. 

Edit3: Downgraded my VM and it's a 10.3.1 bug. 

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replied on May 10, 2018

This option is disabled for embedded attachments, i.e. attachments that are part of the message html content.

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replied on May 10, 2018 Show version history

Is it normal that they are just disabled for drag and drop, and not the Save to Laserfiche button? 

Also I have tried the same email in my VM that works on my local machine and it's still greyed out on drag and drop.

The same emails are being greyed out as to the ones that were fine to be omitted yesterday. It's a little strange that one email is greyed out in one system and not in the other yet the checkbox is allowed with the toolbar save button.

Edit3: Downgraded my VM and it's a 10.3.1 bug. Can't see what else it'd be.

 

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replied on May 10, 2018

In the case where it allows you to unselect the option, does the attachment actually get removed from the edoc that gets imported? You can tell by comparing the size in the document properties dialog:

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replied on May 10, 2018 Show version history

in 10.1 dragging and dropping doesn't seem to be removing the attachment (although you can't see it and it's not in the repository anywhere which is good enough for me and the customer).

In 10.3 using the save to laserfiche toolbar button results in a much smaller file and seems to completely get rid of the attachment, but no drag and drop functionality. 

Should I make a support case to request this be looked at? It looks like the functionality of the way the email is brought in has changed, 

The drag and drop type is application/octet-stream whereas the save button is application type unknown. Possibly the way the attachment before 10.3.1 was just to hide it where in 10.3.1 it's actually stripping out the attachment properly but breaking on drag and drop as the import is different? Just a guess at the minute but as far I can tell I can't get anyway to strip the attachment when dragging and dropping emails but works much better using the save to laserfiche button 

I would have guessed the functionality would work that the drag and drop event kick off the same save to laserfiche dialogue but it seems like it works completely differently. 

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replied on May 10, 2018 Show version history

I think the "Leave in message" functionality is largely ceremonial. Even when this is unchecked, the file size is not changed drastically. To be clear, I am talking about the attachments being left in the original MSG file in Laserfiche. I tried this on 10.2 and dragging a msg file with a 5MB attachment still results in a 4.77MB msg file in laserfiche. When i choose to leave the attachment in the message, the msg file is 4.82MB.

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replied on May 11, 2018

The file size isn't so much the issue, it's the fact there's an attachment now sitting in the repository for the customer. They aren't the most technically savvy and even having them navigate to the Save to Laserfiche button probably won't be a viable option.

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replied on May 11, 2018

I don't understand, are we talking about "Leave in message" or "Separate document"? The former is basically a useless checkbox, the latter controls whether a new document is created from the attachment. As far as I know, the "separate document" checkbox works correctly in all cases.

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replied on May 11, 2018

To add to what Robert said. Leave in Document and Separate Document are not one or the other toggles. You can do both, or (in cases where the attachments aren't embedded) neither. Just because the attachment is or isn't left in the document doesn't control if it is imported as a separate document. 

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replied on May 17, 2018 Show version history

I'm posting in regards to the "Keep in Message" tickbox and it's inconsistencies while updating. 

In 10.1 the "Keep in Message" tickbox is working fine when the attachment is not embedded.  The Save to Laserfiche button allows for the Attachment to be removed from the message but does not reduce file size.

in 10.3.1 the "Keep in Message" tickbox cannot be unticked at all even with the same email as before. Alternatively though, the Save to Laserfiche button actually seems to reduce the file size and allows for the Keep in Message to be unticked.

What it does is fairly unimportant, our customer worked a certain way before an update and now can't work that way going forward, the details of how / why are secondary to ourselves.  If there was another way to get drag and drop working rather than reporting as a bug and sitting on it for a while that'd be the preference.

 

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replied on September 17, 2018

Thanks for digging into this, we're experiencing the same behavior and staff seems to be OK with using the Save to Laserfiche button, although the drag/drop is preferred.

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replied on September 17, 2018

For the record, this is target to be fixed in the 10.4 windows client, as well as the upcoming 10.3.1 hotfix. bug# 89331.

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